JohnC at 2008-05-18 17:41:00:
"what if the story is already 'alive' with living breathing elements?"

I came across this concept in relation to music but hadn't thought of it in relation to story. The composer Steve Reich was being intervied about a piece of his (Music for Mallet Instruments, Voices and Organ, I think it was) and he described it as starting out at full tempo with no intro or opening statement as if the evolution of the interplay of musical lines in the piece had started before we got there and turned up the volume, as it were.

Then, for my own part, I was exploring ambient sound generation. Since it was all computer generated, I made up a name for the composer of the pieces.

When I found myself inventing character attributes for him, I realized that this guy was a character in a story that I wasn't working on at that time (I thought) .

Thinking about it now, the inspiration for that story idea goes back through pulp fiction into ancient texts and no doubt back into oral history, so in that sense the story goes on – 'a river runs through it' ?
Scott at 2008-05-18 18:41:00:
Funny you mention Steve Reich, but my oldest son, Will, was just sharing some Reich's music with me the other day. Will discovered Reich at Governor's School two summers ago and Reich's approach to composition has influenced Will considerably.

I love how you 'generated' a character almost backward, yes? Started with this music, then make up a name, and suddenly, there's this persona rambling around in your consciousness. It's stories just like that which continue to amaze and inspire me about the creative process, those tiny little sparks of spontaneous thoughts -- "Hey, what if I give a name to this composer?" -- that give birth to new ideas.

Of course, this line of discussion, comparing music and story, takes me back to one of my lectures, likening sonata form with three-act structure. Perhaps I'll shall muck about with those ideas again and post something.

BTW, what is the name of your composer?
JohnC at 2008-05-19 22:13:00:
His name is Golkar Tinambunan. The origin of the name is Indonesian but he is not himself Indonesian.

I had been working on a story and got it to a point where I could put it aside for a while because I needed to.

There was a character in it who was a herald, gatekeeper and buddy-figure but he kept shifting on me. All I really had was the realization that this one guy was going to have these three character functions. Then I had to forget about it for a while.

Then, while working with music and this fictitious composer and having found a name for him, it came to me in a flash that this was the same guy! This was him!

I hadn't been conscious of working on the story but there was something about the sound samples and rhythmic patterns that I had selected that made the connection. Now this guy has a whole new dimension.

So the story, I believe, having been put in motion was continuing to exert influence and making choices for me.

The name in fact came from some spam. It seems to be becoming a rich source of inspiration! I kept getting mail calling me Golkar Tinambunan, telling me I had great credit and asking did I want some money (to buy a larger penis, I guess). This sounds like a well set-up guy. Now he has this whole other dimension.
Scott at 2008-05-19 23:17:00:
That's a very funny saga, John, but also instructive. I seem to remember a quote somewhere: "There are stories everywhere, we just have to open our eyes to see them." I guess, too, our ears as well, as characters may spring from sound as well as sight.